Gordon Chang: “This is an existential struggle; and we better win it.”

This is the full version of Jan Jekielek’s interview with Gordon Chang. The interview was first released on Epoch TV on April 16, 2025. As the U.S.-China trade war continues to escalate, Jan Jekielek sits down with China analyst Gordon Chang. “Jamie Dimon said this: ‘Why don’t you just pick up the phone?’ Well, the reason is we’ve had that attitude for five decades … and look where it’s gotten us. So, if the Chinese want to do something about our tariffs, it’s up to them to pick up the phone,” says Chang. What is the current state of play when it comes to Trump’s tariff strategy? Is it working in America’s favor? “The only way China wins this trade war is if it gets Trump to preemptively surrender,” says Chang. “This is an existential struggle. It’s more than just a trade war. It’s more than just a tariff war. We better win it.” And how is Xi Jinping’s leadership being challenged inside China? “General He, I think, was sacked not by Xi Jinping, but by the adversaries of Xi Jinping in the Chinese military ... we have seen all these unexplained and unusual disappearances of military officers, especially since the middle of 2023,” says Chang. “I think this is the most dangerous moment in history.”

Xi Jinping’s Decision To Risk War: Gordon Chang

This is a condensed version of Jan Jekielek's interview with Gordon Chang. The full version was released on Epoch TV on September 28, 2024. Jan Jekielek interviews Gordon Chang, the author of the new book, “Plan Red: China’s Project to Destroy America,” to understand the Chinese regime’s strategy to destabilize America, from fentanyl warfare to election disinformation to suspicious activity at the border. “We see momentum toward war, and we Americans have got to ask ourselves, what is going to stop this momentum toward war?” Chang says. “The Communist Party People's Daily, China's most authoritative publication in China, in a landmark editorial declared in May 2019 "a people's war against us, and we're Americans, so we don't think we can ignore what our enemies say." But for Communist China, People's War is a phrase that has great resonance going back to the beginning of the People's Republic. Just about a year ago, ‘PLA Daily’ actually defined people's war for us. It said people's war is total war, and we have seen China wage a campaign of unrestricted warfare against the United States.” Gordon Chang: “You have an insecure regime in China. Beijing is worried about the inspirational impact of America's values and form of governance on the Chinese people. I believe the Communist Party does not think it will ever be safe as long as the United States exists.” Chang about Chinese students in America: “We know that Chinese consular officials and Ministry of State Security agents surveil those students and get them to commit espionage, get them to engage in political activities which is inappropriate on our soil, and this is our country. We allow that. Under the communist party's top down system every Chinese national must obey the instructions and demands of the Communist Party, and China's 2017 National Intelligence Law codifies this in one area where Chinese nationals are required to commit espionage if they receive a demand.” “There must be hundreds, if not 1000s, of Ministry of State Security agents running around our country trying to compromise American politicians.” Chang recommends: “We need to sever all of our contacts with the Chinese regime. I know that that is very strong. I’m not saying it's politically acceptable, but I am saying it is necessary, and the reason is we're being overwhelmed. We are being overwhelmed by a Chinese regime. Our law enforcement is being overwhelmed. Our universities are being overwhelmed, our businesses, Hollywood, just, you name it. We don't have a hold on this. And until we are able to manage this, we need to take those contacts and sever them. It's going to be tough. It will be painful, as we talked about, but nonetheless, it's necessary, and that's why I'm so concerned, because we are not willing to do what is necessary to save our society.”

‘We Have To Plan For The Worst’: Gordon Chang Reveals Terrifying Theory To Explain Mysterious Drones

On "Forbes Newsroom," author and U.S.-China relations expert Gordon Chang shared his insights about the mysterious drones flying above New York and New Jersey, what he thinks President Biden should do, where he thinks they may be coming from, and a theory that they may be seeking out a possible nuclear threat.

'We're adults, we can handle the truth': Gordon Chang on potential drone 'distraction'

New Jersey State Senator Jon Bramnick and Gordon Chang commented on the latest surrounding drone sitings in and around the New Jersey area, what the drones indicate and more on "Rob Schmitt Tonight."