This is a condensed version of Jan Jekielek's interview with Gordon Chang. The full version was released on Epoch TV on September 28, 2024. Jan Jekielek interviews Gordon Chang, the author of the new book, “Plan Red: China’s Project to Destroy America,” to understand the Chinese regime’s strategy to destabilize America, from fentanyl warfare to election disinformation to suspicious activity at the border. “We see momentum toward war, and we Americans have got to ask ourselves, what is going to stop this momentum toward war?” Chang says. “The Communist Party People's Daily, China's most authoritative publication in China, in a landmark editorial declared in May 2019 "a people's war against us, and we're Americans, so we don't think we can ignore what our enemies say." But for Communist China, People's War is a phrase that has great resonance going back to the beginning of the People's Republic. Just about a year ago, ‘PLA Daily’ actually defined people's war for us. It said people's war is total war, and we have seen China wage a campaign of unrestricted warfare against the United States.” Gordon Chang: “You have an insecure regime in China. Beijing is worried about the inspirational impact of America's values and form of governance on the Chinese people. I believe the Communist Party does not think it will ever be safe as long as the United States exists.” Chang about Chinese students in America: “We know that Chinese consular officials and Ministry of State Security agents surveil those students and get them to commit espionage, get them to engage in political activities which is inappropriate on our soil, and this is our country. We allow that. Under the communist party's top down system every Chinese national must obey the instructions and demands of the Communist Party, and China's 2017 National Intelligence Law codifies this in one area where Chinese nationals are required to commit espionage if they receive a demand.” “There must be hundreds, if not 1000s, of Ministry of State Security agents running around our country trying to compromise American politicians.” Chang recommends: “We need to sever all of our contacts with the Chinese regime. I know that that is very strong. I’m not saying it's politically acceptable, but I am saying it is necessary, and the reason is we're being overwhelmed. We are being overwhelmed by a Chinese regime. Our law enforcement is being overwhelmed. Our universities are being overwhelmed, our businesses, Hollywood, just, you name it. We don't have a hold on this. And until we are able to manage this, we need to take those contacts and sever them. It's going to be tough. It will be painful, as we talked about, but nonetheless, it's necessary, and that's why I'm so concerned, because we are not willing to do what is necessary to save our society.”